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vote NO on the spaceship civic center.
vote NO on another tax increase.
you property taxpayers better unite.
if this civic center is passed your taxes WILL GO UP to fund it, just give 'em time. there is no way a 1/2 cent sales tax increase is going to be enough. and by the way, look for the garbage tax they put on us to go up as soon as the election is over, with callis at the helm.

sg,
Gallatin said they are able to cover 65% of their operating cost through fees and consessions.

I haven't read through every post to the blog so if I missed one that answered this question, my apologies...
Has anyone ever been to the Civic Center in Gallatin? They have fitness facilities and racquetball courts along with an indoor swimming pool and indoor walking track (I believe). If one wants to utilize any of these things, they have to pay $1-$2 depending on what they choose to do. They also have swimming parties in the indoor pool for which there is a charge. If anything like this was implemented to where this is a charge, this would offset the cost of running the center and those that use the facilities would be the ones who "pay for it."

Where did I get my information that most of Portland's revenue comes from beer sales? Maybe I shouldn't have said "most", but I thought it was once quoted in the Progressive that we got on average like $250,000 a year or something like that from beer sales alone back when it was the hot topic. If there is anyone in the know, please feel free to correct me. Regardless, that is a substantial amount for a town fighting Franklin, KY on a daily basis.

I stand by my opinion that it is hypocritical to speak so loudly against liquor by the drink establishments, and saying one doesn't want them here, yet they leave this town to go to the very establishments they say they don't want here, in other towns, such as BG, Gallatin, Hendersonville, and Rivergate.

I don't see how people can't see that.

As far as LBTD here in Portland, I believe last time was the make or break. I say that because Franklin passed it, and when White House passes it, Portland is done as far as bringing in revenue from Interstate travelers.

With the widening of 31W in Franklin, and their passage of LBTD, it is only a matter of time before they get the ball rolling and a Logan's or O'Charley's plops itself down by I-65 in Franklin, KY. And when it does, "I'll see you all there!" Be sure to wear your Portland colors!!!

Mr. Mack,

Just trying to understand your point of view.

Now for the second "stupidest comeback" you could imagine.

Do people ever get drunk at "expensive sit-down restaraunts" ?

Also, where did you get your information that "most of Portland's tax revenue comes from beer sales" ?

And "Puh-leez", expand your imagination; I am pretty slow , so you can expect some real stupid comebacks.
But I am trying to learn.

Councilman Callis said: "Does this mean that those who do support LBTD, are not allowed in McDonalds, Cracker Barrel, Wendy's, Arby's, etc.?"

Puh-leez, are you serious? That's about the stupidest comeback I could imagine.No, sir, it obviously means that you miss the point, and maybe I can assume you DO eat at LBTD establishments outside the city? Is that what it means? I'm saying you and others that rally behind your cause rally like I don't know what to keep LBTD establishments out of Portland, but then go to them in Rivergate, Gallatin, and Bowling Green! You spend all this time miseducating people about what LBTD means, when you know that these establishments are all some of the most respectable, clean, and even family-oriented places to eat at!

Drunks go to bars, they don't go to expensive sit-down restaraunts.

Way to go Jody!

Jody and I are opposite on this issue, but I do appreciate him standing up for what he believes.

See, I do not condemn him for pushing his belief even though it does not line up with mine.
I think he should push it all the way and not worry about votes.
Many voted no for me because I was against it.

I love this country!

Good Lord! Where were all you folks when I was trying to get Sunday Beer Sales passed? =o) Councilman Callis is correct; I am the only councilman who supports LBTD, Retail Package Stores, and Sunday Beer Sales. I have been told not to admit that because it would be political suicide! Well you know what? I do NOT like raising fees on trash etc. I would rather see the alcohol issues passed, since we already have alcohol here. No one can imagine how much it will contribute to our operating moneys. If a voter doesn’t want to vote for me because of how I feel on ONE issue, then don’t vote for me! I’d much rather be a man and stand up for what I believe in than hide in a closet and worry about being elected. I am not ashamed of my position, and furthermore any registered voter in the city of Portland who would like to sign the petition to have LBTD and Retail Package Stores put on the ballot, can find both at my office (across from the Police Dept.) If you’ll call, someone will even bring it to you. (There is a committee named “Portland Citizens For a Change” their number is 323-7313) Signing the petition doesn’t mean you support either or neither, it simply means that you’d like to see it on the ballot to give voters the option! The deadline is drawing near; we need all the help we can to get enough names! Thanks, Jody 325-2274

Does this mean that those who do support LBTD, are not allowed in McDonalds, Cracker Barrel, Wendy's, Arby's, etc.?

i quote mack

“I say this because if you don't want a liquor by the drink establishment in our home town, that means you will never been seen eating at or supporting a Chilli's, a Rafferty's , Logan's,etc...in ANY OTHER TOWN! Why? Because you are opposed to these establishments! Can't you in opposition see this? To be opposed is to be opposed!”

nail right dead square on the head sir! fred

QUOTE OF THE YEAR:

"building a civic center in this town would be like putting perfume on a pig."

Digman, whoever you are, that is hilarious! Oh man, I laughed so hard. Brilliant, sir.

I also like how someone referred to it as the councilman's "spacestation". I will now refer to it as that from here on out. LOL

I just happened onto this blog the other day, and have to admit, I am hooked.

This town doesn't need to waste money on this spacestation.

As far as beer sales on Sunday, if I feel like as an adult, I would like to have a beer on a Sunday when there is a NASCAR race or a Titans game on, I drive to the Orlinda Shell or the Penny Saver, and buy some beer. Mr. Callis didn't stop me from drinking that day, but he and the rest of the city council did keep me from spending my tax dollars in this city. If the sales tax gets raised, put the final nail in the coffin for ol' P-town. You think people made the 6 mile trek to Franklin before to not pay anything, or 6% on sales tax, just let your voters you bring to the polls raise the sales tax to what will be almost 10 cents on the dollar, and watch how Portland citizens flee even more across the state line to save money.
But then, if that happens, you know what will be done? Of course! Raise the garbage fee AGAIN, or maybe the property taxes!

Keep letting the poor foot the bill, instead of giving people a choice to buy beer on Sundays. That makes sense. Most of Portland's tax revenue comes from beer sales, so why not give them a choice on Sundays. If you go to Food Lion any given day of the week, many normal, respectful looking citizens are buying beer. You don't keep them from buying it on Sundays, they just go elsewhere.

Also to those who don't want a LBTD establishment in our city, I can't wait to see you at the exact same type of establishment in another city! Maybe I should have camera phone ready! I say this because if you don't want a liquor by the drink establishment in our home town, that means you will never been seen eating at or supporting a Chilli's, a Rafferty's , Logan's,etc...in ANY OTHER TOWN! Why? Because you are opposed to these establishments! Can't you in opposition see this? To be opposed is to be opposed!

....perfume on a pig....LOL!!!!

"So I guess we should of elected a President who's religious beliefs were against fighting and war, then this country wouldn't be fighting in Iraq today!!

Just because you or any member of the council asks to put something on the ballot doesn't mean you support it, this is the job of our elected officials to represent the people of this town."

We elect officals who belive like us and trust them to use their judgement.

I still can't understand what’s with this obsession with the liquor by the drink argument? I realize that Tennessee has a reputation for making liquor.

We only have beer and wine sales here and do fine (tho I'd perfer to have neither). I wouldn’t want the problems that come with liquor also.

"So I guess we should of elected a President who's religious beliefs were against fighting and war, then this country wouldn't be fighting in Iraq today!!

Just because you or any member of the council asks to put something on the ballot doesn't mean you support it, this is the job of our elected officials to represent the people of this town."

We elect officals who belive like us and trust them to use their judgement.

I still can't understand what’s with this obsession with the liquor by the drink argument? I realize that Tennessee has a reputation for making liquor.

We only have beer and wine sales here and do fine (tho I'd perfer to have neither). I wouldn’t want the problems that come with liquor also.

Councilman Callis
So I guess we should of elected a President who's religious beliefs were against fighting and war, then this country wouldn't be fighting in Iraq today!!

Just because you or any member of the council asks to put something on the ballot doesn't mean you support it, this is the job of our elected officials to represent the people of this town. Your support or opposition on the issue can CLEARLY be shown as you've noted before... a simple YES or NO when you vote.

I know there are those on this blog who are against this tax increase and those same ones seem to be in favor of LBTD, but that does not mimic the response I have been getting since elected.
There is only a very small portion of the city, which reads this blog, let alone responds to it.
The number has been increasing and I think that is great, but it is not an accurate cross-section as the past 2 election numbers reflect.

Alderman McDowell and I have discussed this in the past. There is no secret that he is in favor of LBTD and that I am not.
Maybe since he is in favor of alcohol more Pro LBTD talk with him then they do me.

I have been pushing for those things which I see more people coming to me about and those projects which I feel need to be done.

You would have to ask him why he has not pushed for a council vote on LBTD.

I understand your concerns, but without my personal convictions I cannot be me; and I will not apologize for that. If I say I can separate myself from my Christian beliefs, then everything is in vain.
I openly ran in opposition to alcohol, so people would know where I stood before election.
Here is the order in which I must be responsible ( as I see it):
1st - God
2nd - Family
3rd - Elected position
4th - Other interest

To me, any other way would cause me to deficient in all areas. You may say I am already deficient, but God is the final judge.

Whether you agree with me or not; I probably bring up more items and more things for discussion than anyone.

There is a group committed to bringing LBTD to this town and they are using their civic freedom to do so.
No hoop-jumping, just hard work on their part.
While I do not agree, I do applaud their efforts to do something they see as right.

Disagreeing and respect are two different animals.
I may think you are dead wrong; but if you believe in it and are willing to stand up for it, then I can respect it.

Thank you again councilman Callis, now that I have that information I would like to go further with this.

You noted: "Can a council do that with LBTD, I do not know, but I will ask."
I would like to know the answer to that.

What I see is this, and I could be wrong. The council does have control in the manner of getting things on the ballot for voters to vote on as you so noted "After deciding a sales tax could be a way of helping to fund a civic center, I researched what needed to be done. According to the law, I needed to present an ordinance that must pass the council to be placed on the ballot. That is what I did."

Why is it that the residents must petition signatures for LBTD, to be on the ballot? many have indicated we need to have this on the ballot again this year. Are we not talking revenue for the City if it passes?

Now look at the opposition for this tax increase and tell me that the people want it, sure there are those of them that do, and those of them that don't, much like the LBTD, but you got the Tax proposal on the ballot for the voters, and LBTD is not.

Regardless of personal belief's you and the council are our elected officials put in your position by the voters, it is your job as such to not close your eyes just because you or the members of council are personally against something. Elected officials have the same right as we do when election time rolls around, a simple vote of YES or NO. We shouldn't have to go thru hoops to get the "opportunity" to cast our votes on issues the council may not be personally in favor of.

I applaud you Mr Callis for being one of few board members who visit this blog and help keep us informed, you have taken quite a bit of heat in doing so. I only hope that as you use this blog to inform us, that you also us it to bring back to the board what you hear on the blog as well, it should not be considered a one way street.

I do not speak for the other Alderman.

After deciding a sales tax could be a way of helping to fund a civic center, I researched what needed to be done.
According to the law, I needed to present an ordinance that must pass the council to be placed on the ballot.
That is what I did.

Can a council do that with LBTD, I do not know, but I will ask.

LBTD refendum has been put forth by citizens who wanted it.

The main point is many DO NOT support either measure and nor do I.
I made that clear when I ran, many would not take a stand due to fear of losing votes.

As far as speaking to Alderman in general, I do not believe the majority even read this blog, let alone respond to it; but you should ask them.

Remember that LBTD and package liqour sales require 2 different measures.
Just because you have one does not mean you can have the other.

Here are the numbers for the last 2 elections when voting for the LBTD measure.

2003
For - 641 / Against - 795

2005
For - 854 / Against - 921

As you can see the majority was against it. The numbers of the Pro side gained more ground in 2005 and may prevail this time, but the city has been against it.
Yes there are many who say we as a city need to get busy and pass what the citizens want, but the numbers say the citizens do not want it.

Once again, the main issue of a posting has totally been ignored, and Mr. Callis has responded to a side remark. To make it clear, here is the main point I was trying to make.

"What I do want to say is this: to all our aldermen in general, and Mr. Callis in particular, I think you'd do well to listen to the words that your constituents are saying. They want the town to be cleaned up, the laws we already have to be enforced, and not too many seem to think a tax increase is a good idea. Many support liquor by the drink and Sunday beer sales."

Any response to THIS point, gentlemen?

Question.......Does liquor by the drink have to pass in order to have a liquor store? I don't think so. Gallatin had liquor stores way before they had liquor by the drink.

Ducks in a Row.......still this is backwards Mr Callis. Wonder if the tax is voted in and then the citizens find out the pond has run dry. You want to make sure that pond can hold water first.

As for influence....Most preachers have an influence over their flock be it liquor, politics, gambling, etc.

If the city owns "plenty" of land why don't you sell some to help with needed repairs and beautification.

Thank You Councilman Callis for your help, I still don't know how the civic center tax proposal got on the ballot. You said the people have to sign a petition for the LBTD issue, was this the case for the tax issue, if not how come? and what are the differences in procedure for the two of them?

Heres an idea on the tax and liquor. A lot of cities and towns put out a bid for a liquor license.
Why not us? Put a limit on how many license's will be issued. I.E. 2 for restaurants that want to sell liquor by the drink and 2 for stores that wish to sell it. Each license will only be leased by the intended lesse for 1 year and have to abide by all state and federal regulations. With the money from these license's the town can pay for many of its endeavors. Not to mention the sales tax it will recieve from each business. This will also open up jobs for the people of portland. I.E. if you have an O'Charlie's, it would take a min. of 20 people to operate it. The liquor stores would need at least 5-10 employee's. Thats an estimate of 50-70 job openings for the people here. Just something else to think about. Thanks.

OK.....

Alcohol:
L-B-T-D is put on the ballot by those people who want it by getting a certain percentage of voters to sign a petition.
They have been placing it on there, I suspect it will be there this time too; deadline has not been met yet.
You would have to ask the other councilman if they are pushing for it.

Ducks in a row:
This vote will decide if there is water for the ducks to swim in.

Location:
The city has plenty of land, no need to buy any. Whether it be at Richland, Meadowbrook, or some other location would be taken into account during the study.
If someone wants to donate 5 acres on hwy 52 west by the new school, that would be great too,

Influence:
I am sorry someone felt compelled to make such a comment concerning my influence.
Would that comment be made if I promoted alcohol?
The answer is NO!

You are free to run ads for it, yell from the street corners, tell your friends, etc..
Did you set up a committe for all those for alcohol?
Did you help get the petition up to have it put on the ballot?
Did you get a list of voters and make calls asking others to vote your way?
The vote is May 1st. I just gave you some great ideas; get busy!

I think it is great to have opportunities to promote your side or to fight against someone else's.

Where exactly would a Civic Center this size be built? You say start small but you would need enough land to be able to expand. Was the land cost and taxes figured into the expected cost?

You say that the tax increase would be approved before going forward with the idea of a Civic Center.
This seems backwards to me. You should have all your ducks in a row before you even mention this idea.

We need hard facts NOT maybes.

I have a few questions

1- Why isn't "liquor by the drink" yet on the ballot, an income producer for our city if it passes.

2- How did the "Civic Center tax proposal" get on the ballot, an increase in taxes to the citizens of this city if it passes.

I for one don't understand the process these must go thru in order for the voters to get the chance to vote on these issues. Could someone please explain!

To our City Councilmen;

I refuse to get pulled into the debate on the Civic Center. I have very strong feelings about the wisdom of building it at this time, in this place, but will refrain from expressing my opinion.

What I do want to say is this: to all our aldermen in general, and Mr. Callis in particular, I think you'd do well to listen to the words that your constituents are saying. They want the town to be cleaned up, the laws we already have to be enforced, and not too many seem to think a tax increase is a good idea. Many support liquor by the drink and Sunday beer sales.

Mr. Callis, you say you are only one vote, but that isn't true. You are the leader of an entire congregation and have influence on the things they believe, and indirectly, on the way they vote. So keep that in mind when you claim to be only one. I am only one vote, but I don't have the influence over other people that you have. It is different.

vote no on this wasteful spending of tax dollars.
we have more important issues that need to be taken into account, such as sewer problems and the junkheaps at any given entrance to the town that owners refuse to clean up or better yet demolish and councilmembers refuse to address. i know a few have tried but if they all got together on the issue and hammered it home it could get done. building a civic center in this town would be like putting perfume on a pig.

I have really been undecided on the Civic Center until I read this blog. Thanks for opening my eyes! I would have to vote NO on a tax increase to support a civic center, but I would vote YES to support a library or other needs that this town has accumulated.

Portland really needs a new, updated library. There have times I have went and couldn't get in the door because it was so crowded. There have also been times that the library did not have the information I needed. Would a tax increase support a new library? If not, how would it be funded?

Also, I have noticed that the office building where Dr Handel use to be is being remodeled. Is
a new business going in there? That would be a great location for the new Health Dept.

To start…. Bubba has no stake in this issue.

Bubba did have a feeling the Civic Center debate might come up in Portland’s “blog” space. It so far has been BOTH informative and silly, but with a “blog” both is (or should be) expected. Bubba’s been around “blogs”, or in the old day’s newsgroups, or even older BBS day’s (which where long before the internet) a long time.

Bubba reads, one man with a “passion” for something and a way he thinks will “get err done”.. Others seem to question can it be done in such a fashion…!!? Bubba don’t have a clue (Remember Bubba’s not the brightest light in the basket)…

You folks have been very “civil” and informative!! My hats off to you guy’s and look forward to reading more debate on this issue !!!

Bubba

Alcohol:
No scare tactic. No claims.

The police question was posed on the civic center issue, is it not fair to pose it on the liquor question?
I guess not.

If you want liquor by the drink passed, vote for it. Simple.
If passed it will be governed by the ABC (alcohol beverage commission) not the council.
No matter what my views are on liquor by the drink, I am only 1 vote, and I will vote no.
I asked if it were possible to place Sunday beer sales on the ballot, so to settle the matter; but due to delegation of powers, it could not be handled that way.
If liquor by the drink passes, it’s a good bet you will have beer sales on Sunday.

Taxes:
If it is a pocket book issue, vote no.

Civic center:
You bring up good points on sponsorship, and this has been discussed.
A person made mentioned the other day that whoever donated 20% of the cost could have the building named after them.

I do not know what the highest number of post on this blog is to a particular topic, but we may set a record.

Mr. Callis,

While I respect your personal views about drinking,and I don't mean for you to take this as a personal attack, I do have an opinion on one of your last posts.

In one of your last posts you pondered how much more police protection we would need if liquor by the drink and package sales were voted in and would they cover the costs of the increased officers nad equipment. This seems to me to be a "scare tactic " often used by those opposing such issues. I'm sure the data is available to back up those claims. I'm sure there is data available to support the opposing view as well. But if remember correctly, Chief West usually asks the council for funding for more officers/firfighters and newer or better equipment on a regular basis. His reason for these requests? Increased crime rates and increased territory to cover. We dont have the liquor issue to blame these things on, so whats driving the crime rates up? My guess: the increase in population. Its good that people want to move to our town, but the more people we have, the more "bad apples" we have too. So to me personally, the liquor= more crime argument doesn't hold much water. It might hold some but not much. I guess my point is this: crime is going to go up anyway. Intially, no, I don't think liquor sales will offset the cost of added police officers or firefighters. But we are going to need these positions filled anyway. Who knows, maybe one day liquor sales will offset the cost of several peoples salaries and some new equipment.

Once again, nothing personal. Just some random thoughts on the matter.

“but I am passionate”

mr. councilman, passionate is a feel good thing, raising taxes is a pocket book thing. fred

I would like to throw my hat in the ring here. On one of the previous posts, in was stated that some people wouldn't support a civic center unless it was donated. Why not approach some of our local bussinesses and industry about possibly purchasing naming rights to certain parts of it? Ex: The Olhausen Library. We could still have floor, wing or meeting room dedicated to Mr. Hinton. Or the raquetball courts could be sponsored by Food Lion or Freds or a local bussiness. Maybe even hold an auction for these rights. That would give the bussiness that much more exposure. Just some food for thought. I believe we have some inustry and business people dedicated to our town but I also believe that people would be more apt to vote for a tax increase if they knew that they weren't going to have foot the bill alone.

Some other things mentioned were the liquor by the drink and package sales referendum. It may or may not be on the ballot this time. While I could care less personally, I hope that it is on the ballot and I also hope that it passes. I think this will open the door in the future for better retail developement in our community. The signs at the city limits of our town used to say "Proud Progessive Portland". Now they say " A city on the Grow". How can either of these be true when the prevailing mentality seems to be stuck in the past? The bottom line on these two issues is this: people in this town drink. No one has stopped drinking due to lack of access to liquor in our town. So lets go ahead and pass it and get on with something else. The more people that move into our town from other places, the more likely it is that these two items will eventually pass. I just hope that when they do, that the city council doesn't legislate it to death.

Sorry for getting off subject. I'll go now.

As of last Thursday, the Sumner election office said it had not been submitted.

I was told there is an effort to put "liquor-by-the-drink" and "package liquor sales" on the ballot.

They still have a few days to qualify.

Someone asked the question if the police force would need to be increased if we got a civic center.

I wander what impact liquor sales would have on our police and fire departments?

And would any revenue brought in by these measures be offset in extra police cost?

First let me say, it is not personal, I do not know you. Nor am I angry, but I am passionate.

Second, I did not implement a garbage fee.
And your garbage is not covered in sewer & water, if you were told that, you were told wrong.

Sewer and water are enterprise funds, they cannot be mixed with general funds.
Nor can we use sales tax monies for such.

I was and still am against your trash becoming an enterprise fund and was on the side opposing the higher fee than you got.

As far as trash falling, have you made a formal complaint to public works department?

Skateboard park: I have been for one before Gallatin got theirs, and I still think we need one.

More people have told me they would be glad to pay more if they could get a civic center, than those who would not.

I personally do not use the the Library or the park system. My child is grown and my wife and I have other interest that do not lead us to those facilities; but I know that many want and need them.

It is always funny how on one hand we should be compared to Gallatin when it comes to alcohol issues and retail, but when it comes to skateparks and civic centers we should not compare ourselves.

The health department will be locating a new faciltiy in Portland; should tax payers who do not use that pay for it?
Our tax money is pooled together for the betterment of all who live here; is it perfect? NO.

But when I see our people who pay taxes have to pay $2.20 per gallon of gas to drive across the ridge to use another cities services, then maybe we should supply more services.

Just one question, perhaps someone could give me the answer "will liquor by the drink" be on the ballot?

p.s. how come these garbage collectors can't bend over and pick up trash that falls out of the cans when they empty them. to them "if it falls out it falls out" they leave trash all over the place because they are toolazy to do their job, and we are paying $14 a can. will this be brought up in council? we'll see.

:^) Honestly, I didn’t mean for this to get personal and there’s no reason it should. It really doesn't matter whether I want the center or not, and my comments aren't about that nor should yours be. I simply wondered if the funding model was sufficient (this ain’t my first rodeo, in case you couldn’t tell!) and I assumed there were many others with the same question. I thought it would be interesting if we could get you to explain specifically how this project would be funded. I did not call on you to “defend”, only to “explain”. As I said before, if 70% of a .50% increase in the sales tax will fund construction and operation of a civic center, I’m for it. But your own numbers have proved that it won’t. All the talk of other funding (grants, etc.) comes with no guarantees. I can tell you that, if this were to pass without further discussion, voters will expect you to deliver that center without them paying another dime of any sort because that’s how you presented it, whether you believe it or not. Also, I have not accused you of deceiving anyone. I honestly just think your thought process didn’t include how to fully fund this thing.

Once again, I find it amazing that you say the process starts AFTER the sales tax increase passes. The revenue generated by the sales tax won’t begin to fund a civic center the way it needs to be funded – even a small one. Your idea isn’t a bad one; you just need to put together a funding package so we will all know what we are getting into on the front end. You’re wrong to assume I won’t support a civic center, but right to assume it will only be after you tell me how it will be paid for. I’m not looking for bad – all I have asked is that you tell us the estimated cost and specifically, not conceptually, how it will be paid for.

why doesnt callis just raise the garbage tax that he helped implement to $50 a household to pay for the spacestation he wants to build?
i voted for callis last election, thinking he would be a conservative spender. he said he didnt want to have the town be another gallatin, yet he is for everthing gallatin has with the exception of sunday beer sales ans liquor by the drink.

examples:

1- gallatin has a civic center, so now we gotta have one. bad choice for those of us that pay property taxes, trust me, we will be the ones that pay.

2- gallatin has a garbage tax, so we should have a garbage tax. please dont be fooled, we were already paying for garb. pick up it was listed under sewage on the water bill, i know because they told me when i moved here 18 years ago.i know what i was told. dont believe the farse.

3- skatepark: yeah gotta have one of those.

what other tax does the councilman have in store for us backwoods consenting adults?

You have called on me to "defend" my position.
I have not deceived anyone, I have put forth an idea.

I started talking this up early last year, and the fact remains; do you or do you not want a civic center?
If yes, it will need funding.

Let me help you understand.
This requires only a simple yes or no.
If you say yes, the next step is to look at available revenue.
No room in the budget to fully fund this project, you look at other sources.
There are grants; but you realize the city's out of pocket portion will be hard to come by with out public support.
Then you look at property taxes; you realize there is no support there due to political fallout.
Then you look at maxing out the sales tax; you tell yourself, this would bring in revenue to start a project and it would give the public a right to decide for themselves if a civic center was worth having.
So you bring this forward as an idea and it passes by council to be put on a referendum.
They themselves want to see if the public will support such a measure.

What happens if it passes? We start the process that has been laid out before.

What size project?
What is the cost?
What is the deadline?
All these are yet to be determined by your fellow citizens.
And as I said before, if this were to pass you are welcome to be part of the process.

But be assured I am "learning", something’s have become clear just recently.

One thing is self-evident; if you look for bad you will find it.

All mind games aside, I had originally given this measure about a 25% chance of passing; but after putting it out there, it appears the chances are increasing.

I guess many are tired of being told they can't; and are glad to hear they can.

So, your turn again.

p.s.
all of this volleying is giving me carpal tunnel

Well, apparently I touched a nerve. Please don’t be defensive, my friend – this is simply an open discussion where we can lay out the facts and answer questions. I asked questions and you answered [some of] them; now the voters know what they are approving is much more than just an increase in sales tax. Once they have all the facts, let’s let’em vote.

“The fact is you are against a civic center unless someone donates the thing. It does not sway me that you are against it, but you, sir or madam, because I do not know who you are, would be against any increase for anything. That is fine, just be honest about it.”

It’s interesting you would make such a critical statement. You don’t need to know who I am; just take what I say and prove it wrong if you can. How do you know I would be against any increase? Bring me a plan that provides a decent civic center that can be fully funded by 70% of a local sales tax increase, and I’ll support that. But you can’t do it; I wish you could. To use your statement, “just be honest….”, that’s what I’d like you to do when telling the public how this thing will be paid for. In fairness to you, I honestly don’t think you knew you couldn’t do it until this discussion came about. Maybe you have learned something through this process. I know I have.

If one thing’s for sure, it’s that this will have a lasting impact on the lives of many Portland families. They will have to pay for it.

No need to be suspicious.

This thing has not been done in a corner, and only after a concept drawing was released have you raised any concerns.

This has been discussed several times openly in meetings and there was ample time to hear all sides.

Will the sales tax be sufficient to build a civic center; depends on what you are building.

I came up with what my “ideal situation” was, not what will be done.

You ignore the fact that revenue already exist for parks, and that we will be freeing up some monies after debt service; but it will not be enough to build or maintain a center without extra revenue.

You also ignore the fact of the impact fee, which allows us to build and provide for new projects.

You also ignore the fact that there are numerous grants that are available for the parks, many of which we have not been applied for, simply because we do not have our portion needed. Most are 80/20 grants.

You also ignore the fact that if the library is included, they already have much of their funding provided for.

The fact is you are against a civic center unless someone donates the thing. It does not sway me that you are against it, but you, sir or madam, because I do not know who you are, would be against any increase for anything.
That is fine, just be honest about it.

This city has played catch up on everything for years unwilling to step out with vision; for to long, to many, have maintained a Sanballot and Tobiah attitude.

The city is flooded with 1000 to 1200 square foot homes called “starter homes” aimed at getting young families; but then we ignore the need for available an sufficient programs for these families.
Where is the viability study when is comes to the tax base from these homes to the cost of services for these homes?

Make sure your efforts are across the board on the issues as a whole.
I understand a civic center may not be a priority for some; but for some families and for many children, it could have a lasting impact in their lives.

See, if the majority says no, I can support that; the question is, if they say yes will you support it?

please God, all property owners get out and vote this crazy runaway spending down flat. there's still people in this town that dont have sewer acsess, and we are even thinking about this?

Thank you, Mr. Callis. You certainly confirmed my suspicions and my earlier statements when you said:

“To ever have a shot at a civic center would require extra revenue, the sales tax is one way to help fund it. No one, nor myself, ever said this was a cure all or that it generated enough money to build or meet all of our needs; just that it is one way to help.”

In all your statements and presentations about a civic center, you have never said it would require funding beyond 70% of the sales tax increase. Why not? Don’t you think in fairness to voters that you should let them know this is only a way to “help” fund the center as you say, not fully fund it. Now that at least the blog readers know the rest of the story, maybe you and others who enjoy a public forum (such as Mr. Suddeath) can fully inform voters so they can make a reasonable choice. Citizens need to understand that we are committing ourselves to much more than a sales tax increase…..which was my point in the first place.

My last comment is about your statement that said:

“If this were a property tax issue, it would be left solely to the council.”

Believe me, this IS a property tax issue.

Remember, it is not always the tax rate that dictates shopping.
At the top for most are consumers are:
1. Convenience
2. Product selection

Whitehouse has already had this higher sales tax rate for many years, since 1999, and their retail business is booming.
The greatest factor that helps Whitehouse is location.
They are not in direct competition with Kentucky and they have taken advantage of their interstate exit.

You should consider the possiblity of higher taxes and its effect on our town when voting.

Here is site that list all cities in TN and their tax rate:
http://www.state.tn.us/revenue/pubs/taxlist.pdf

I have been calling for us to partner with Orlinda, and if it possible share tax revenues and develop the land between 31w and I-65; just recently the mayor has appointed a team to meet with a group from Orlinda to discuss such things.
They have the land and we have the utilities; I hope this becomes productive.

This is a very serious issue and I ask that you consider it carefully before voting.
To ever have a shot at a civic center would require extra revenue, the sales tax is one way to help fund it.
No one, nor myself, ever said this was a cure all or that it generated enough money to build or meet all of our needs; just that it is one way to help.

There are many other worthy projects that the city needs to tend to, and they require lots of money also.
There are those who see no need in a Library no matter the cost, and there are those who say we need one at any cost.
The same goes for civic centers, roads, airports, schools, etc….

The neat thing is that you have a say in it, you can convince your friends to say yes or no.

If this were a property tax issue, it would be left solely to the council.

Some were curious about the floor plans of the concept building, so I will be posting them soon.

From the view of a small retail owner here in town, we already struggle with keeping Portland Customers here in Portland. Several of you have already made it clear that you travel outside of town to shop. If we have to charge you higher taxes, even more people will travel to Franklin, Gallatin, and Rivergate.
I don't think the number of people a Civic Center would bring in from the other communities will ever be greater than the ones we see leave town.

Terry George,

I dont believe I am misguided. I have managed several big restaurants and know that location is vital. But when you have a town such as ours, that has no restaurants now, people will travel 10 or more miles to go out to eat. Ponderosa withstanding, that location is prime for the people of Portland. With such a growing town, the populous will grow in folds. Which will bring 40,000 plus communters. We are crying for retail here in Portland. Well the restaurant business is just that, retail. Start within the center and branch out as our town becomes a site on the map that people will want to visit, shop and dare I say even move here. This is a great community that just needs some changes. The past and traditions are a beautiful thing, but change is inevitable. So why not do it right. Besides the tax money the town will recieve, it will bring jobs and new business's.

Councilman Callis,Correct me if I'm wrong.A 20 year loan to pay off phase one costing 3.5 million.By the time we pay off phase one the building will probably need major renovation.When would the entire project ever be finished or finished being payed for.

Thanks for for catching the "idol" part.
I am preparing a sermon while I am responding to this thread.
Sorry for the thought cross-over.
A lot of time I write my responses In MSword and then post, I almost mistakenly posted part of a sermon in this post.
If you think I am getting hammered now..........

“For some reason the idea of phase building is not getting through.”

i beg to differ. asking for a self imposed tax increase for something that likely can’t sustain itself is not getting through. fred

Trust me…I’m just as frustrated by your failure to see my point as you are by my failure to see yours. Add to that your failure to address my specific questions and instead throw in other unrelated topics such as a “new city hall” and “four lane roads”. I understand phase building – the question is…..can you build that first phase for $950,000? That’s all you can afford, and that assumes your revenue projections are valid. There are several homes in Portland that cost more than that. I’m now even more convinced that this project can’t be built using 70% of a .50% sales tax increase. We can talk all we want, but the numbers don’t lie.

One final question – did you intend a pun when you referred to yourself as being “idol” rather than idle? (lol)

For some reason the idea of phase building is not getting through.

There are many cost involved, along with furnishing and the tech upgrades.

I personally would like to see this project expanded in conjunction with a new city hall and I have spoken about this already.

This will take money of course, but it will take motivation from those who decide to change the direction of Portland.

I would rather take the heat for trying to be inovative, then to sit an be idol; always reacting and never venturing out of the same mold is why we always patch things up around here.
If you need a 2 lane road today and wait 10 years to build it, then you have squandered your resources, because now you need 4 lanes; and we are always playing catch-up on a 2 lane road.

If you are looking for arts, entertainment, education, and gathering places; then this could be a start.
We want others to come in an invest in our community, how about we step up and show potential investors we believe in this town enough to invest our own money?

Callis for President, 2008

Alright – now we’re getting somewhere. I could debate the likelihood of operating a multi-million dollar civic center with one full- and one part-time employee, but I don’t think it is necessary since you have provided the information I was looking for to illustrate why this plan doesn’t work financially. Let’s just take your numbers of $50,000 for employees and let’s add an estimated $4,000/month in operating costs for utilities, phones, maintenance, equipment upkeep, etc. Believe me, it will take every penny of $48,000 per year operating costs for a facility that size. If you take those annual costs from the $175,000 you predict will be generated from the increase in sales tax, you have about $77,000 per year to apply to debt service. Do you know what size loan that will fund? I’ll tell you. Using your suggested term of 20 years with semiannual payments and a 5% interest rate, you can afford to borrow about $950,000 – not much of a civic center. I hope this helps Alderman Callis and everyone else to see why this won’t work financially. Don’t encourage voters to pass a tax increase only to later find out it generates insufficient revenue to fund the project you proposed. This isn’t a totally bad idea, but the right steps need to be taken in the right order.

So for $3 Million @ 20 yrs and 5% intrest your monthlys woild be $19K+.

And .005 Sales Tax you'd need $4 Million in taxable sales each month.

JAS,

you obviously have no clue what you are talking about......no it does not mean I made double what you did....it means as a self employed individual I am penalized by the government, through a self employment tax....which I might add you do not pay, assuming you are not self employed. You are not penalized for having your job are you? I am! Only because I am self employed.

Sorry for getting off subject.

I would advise to be careful not to hold these officials to accountable for what they say....your posts could get deleted.

Now, back on point……..

Labor:
Lets take the Library first:
There would be no additional cost for labor there.
They are currently looking for $500,000.00 in funding for an add-on. Of which,$150,000. 00 the city would provide. Would that funding require a property tax increase? There is nothing definite there, so prices are not definite. If we could get that funding applied to the civic center that would ease some of the cost. If we are going to commit there, why not to the center.

Museum:
No xtra cost for labor there. This would be a self-toured amenity.

Metting areas and banquet hall:
Probably no more needed for that, it would be handled as the OEO center is now. Someone to lock and unlock the facility.

Sports activities:
Would require at least 1 full time person. Salary + all benefits based on a 24,000.00 salary would equal about $38,000.00 per year. Could this person be transferred from an existing position? Possibly.
A part time employee would be useful also. $9.00 an hour with no benefits working an average of 20 hours a week would cost about $9300.00 a year.

Over time would be needed to cover special events, but rental fees would cover that plus generate money, as it does now. We presently need more staffing at parks now and already have been trying to figure those cost in.

Building:
Square footage cost would run anywhere from $50.00 to $120.00, depending on which amenities and price of labor and materials at that time.
$7,000,000.00 to $16,000,000.00 if built all at once and based on the concept.

Now, what size building? It will depend what on what we want.
As I have already stated, this can be built in stages, but the entire plan must be put together in the beginning to allow for the project to be built correctly.

Based off the concept:
The main building (containing the library) could be built first. This would help the senior citizens and allow for meeting room immediately.
The gym could be second.
And the wings could be last.

Time frame:
If the measure passes in May, it would take a minimum of 10 months to finalize a plan.
By the time you have public hearings, discuss funding, engineer the project, present plans to the council; the project will have already accumulated several dollars in tax revenue along with the expense of an engineering firm.
2-3 months meetings
2-3 months public hearings
2-3 months to have drawings and engineering work completed
2-3 months of finalizing plans

Funding:
Once again this number will fluctuate depending on the month and as we grow.
Our tax numbers have been going up each year, which proves the growth of our town.
The tax we receive now is split between the county and us. The county receives 49% of what we take in.
I was told that the .5% raise would not be treated that way, and all of the xtra would go to us.
Now, looking over the numbers of the last few months, this would easily generate $250,000.00 in extra revenue.
70% = $175,000.00 depending on the length of the loan / 20years – 3.5 million
20% = $50,000.00 secure 80/20 grants
10% = $25,000.00 secure 90/10 grants

More sources of funding:
Library funds – they already receive this money
Impact fees – can be used for new projects
Grants – multiple avenues for revenue

Order of business if the measure passes:
1. Come up with a total plan
2. Set priorities for the build out
3. Acquire funding for first phase
4. Start construction
5. As revenue increases add to the facility.

I like this type of honest discussion. I wished this would take place at our meetings.

Ah Nothing affects people like "Pocket book" issues.

Some points to ponder:

Why do or would people like to move to Portland?
cost of living
amenities
country feeling

Why would business move to Portland?
available workforce
traffic(people living nearby)
amenities

Can the city do "Bonds" to fund the various projects (sewer, roads, etc)?

Would a Civic Center really help the city reach it's goals?

JPinson,

Liquor by the drink and Sunday beer sales are two different items if you are not aware.

Liquor by the drink is an issue to be voted on by referendum during an election cycle.

Sunday beer sales is a local ordinance matter for the city.

I am personally opposed to both, but do not misrepresent my statements.

I said I would lobby against them, but if passed I would uphold my duty to enforce them.

Please be honest.
My views represent half of our town.

You should learn what the issues are and vote on them.
If you believe your way is right, then get out there and convince others of your position.

Callis wrote...

"Liquor by the drink sales are up to you, not the council."

Councilman Callis, if we look back at your statements when running for office, as broadcast on public television, you said that (at that time) if the provision passed allowing beer sales, you would oppose it and do everything to see that it got overturned. So, you did not then believe the people had a choice. And, I do not think you do now.

JW
Quite the opposite of what you think, you failed to get my point. "One must be making the money to pay those TAXES" So you paid double = you made double. I fail to see where this is penalizing you. As for your concept of fair being me (the consumer) paying more and you (the business owner) paying less, Who is spending their already taxed dollars into your business so you have to pay all those taxes? Thanks for getting the point about "writeoffs" you probably would of paid another 5-10K more without them.

Enough said, Sorry for getting off topic.

From what I've read here it sounds to me like everyone would rather the city of dumped 500k it doesn't have into counsulting fees to answer your questions about costs etc, not that these aren't important issues, but then when it gets voted down by the voters the fur will surely fly because of the money spent. It's a no win situation regardless of how you look at it. Nobody wants higher taxes, but we also don't want to throw away money either!

It seems like to me you could transition a lot of current employees to the new civic center to do basically the same job, so I don't see employee cost rising a great deal. You do bring up good points though about the operation and upkeep, but you have to realize this tax is not a one-time deal, it will be there in the future to keep funding the center until it is no longer needed and then it will be used for other projects, probably. When I first heard the idea I thought it was bad just because sales tax is already so high and we lose a lot of people to Franklin, but hey, bringing something like this to th town could really be beneficial in a lot of ways and I don't see it ever being built without a tax increase because future City revenue will be need for sewers, public safety, a new city hall, streets and the Parks. Paying off our current debt as some have suggested will allow us to take on those projects but i doubt there would be any money left for a Civic Center and I don't see too many councilmen willing to put their neck on the line to vote to approve one because if it goes wrong, they would be blamed. So it's up to the people.
I would just say if you think the council and the Mayor are trying to do favors for people on this you're wrong, the general feeling I get is most are opposed to the tax increase. Do you realize how many millions of dollars in Grants the Airport could get each year with just a little more support from the city and the county. I'm not saying it would be JFK Airport, but it would be nice.
Also, do you think Greenways will ever be in the city unless you vote for this increase or for the liq. by the drink? How many years have they been "fixing" highway 109? It's easy to get things started, but to finish them you need $$$, tax dollars.

Okay, so estimate the total cost (we’ve already seen some numbers thrown around) and have someone project the debt service costs. Then estimate the operational costs including salaries and benefits for those working at the center as well as other positions needed as part of this growth (police and fire/rescue). Tell me what the total cost is and prove to me that 70% of this proposed sales tax increase will fund it. You surely have projected the amount of revenue that will generate??? If so, share that information with us, as well as the assumptions you made when projecting it. I, for one, want to KNOW the proposed sales tax increase will fund a civic center (including operational costs) before I will vote for it. You and other city leaders surely don’t want to be in the situation of having to say to Portland voters “you approved the tax increase based on our representations but it won’t quite fund a civic center”. If that were to happen, where would you look to fund the balance needed? See my last post for the answer to that one!

Finally, I'm not trying to upset you, but your post didn't answer any of my earlier questions. Is it true we have an item on the ballot and don't have a clue whether or not it will fund a civic center - we're voting based on a "concept"? You surely must realize Portland voters are smarter than that!

As I stated earlier, there cannot be a total cost without a definite plan.
Remember, This is only a concept.
There were those who wanted me to spend $30,000.00+ to get estimation and a sketch.
I said no, what if the people said no. I did not want to throw away that kind of money.
We will form a committee to look and evaluate the entire project, and I hope that some here on this blog (even though against it) would want to serve, if it were passed.
I guess I look at things different then others.
The city was faced with a few problems as I saw it:
1. Library space – under minimum standard and currently land-locked
2. The need for a civic center – no funding available
3. Greenways & Trails – need funding for grants
4. Airport updates – need funding for available grants

If this passes I encourage all that are willing to be a part of the process so that your concerns are heard .

Everyone I've heard from said the new locations for places like an O'Charley's would be out towards the interstate as the city grows more towards the interstate. Just imagine how much money Portland could have if they passed liq. by the drink, Sunday Beer Sales and a small tax increase. The revenue could be great and the overall cost of living would still be much less than many other nearby communities and I think town services such as the sewer system would improve and a Civic Center could be built. Plus we're forgetting that additional money would be generated from the increase for Greenways and Airports which bring people and tax revenue to Portland as well. I don't think you can really look at the liquor and the beer sales from a moral standpoint because they are already here, if it offended you then you would have already moved. Why not make some money for your town on something that's already here. The money is needed and while most councilmen voted to increrase the garbage pickup they voted against Sunday beer sales. You're saying you'd rather add a higher burden to the elderly tax citizens that let people who are already going to buy beer anyway help your town through tax revenue.JW-I was being biased, everyone knows Bush is a joke(lol). Seriously, have you looked at his latest budget? That's why I say tax cuts don't work. Look at how much is missing from Medicare and Medicaid. 78 billion over 2 years. That's a lot of medication and doctor visits.

Several folks have made good points on this topic. It seems to me Alderman Callis hasn’t connected two important dots – (1)what is the TOTAL cost, and (2) will 70% of a sales tax increase fund it? Here are the steps that should have been taken and questions that should have been asked, in order:

--What is the cost of this proposed facility?
--Given the city’s bond rating and funding of the facility by bonds (I don’t think they are sitting on any reserves to fund this), what are the annual debt service costs?
--What are the annual operational costs? This thing won’t run itself. It must be staffed properly BY THE CITY probably with several employees who receive salary and benefits – not a small cost.
--You can bet that, along with this project, we are going to see requests for additional police and fire/rescue personnel. What are those costs?
--How much revenue will 70% of a .50% increase in sales tax generate? Don’t forget to factor in the reduction in the sales tax base that is essentially a guaranteed result of raising the rate.

Now, with all these facts in hand, the question becomes……will the increased revenue fund ALL the costs for debt service and operation of this facility? I’m betting it will not! I don’t know how large that gap will be, but I do know who will fund it – THE PROPERTY TAXPAYERS OF PORTLAND – the same ones who vote on this proposal. Give it some serious thought!

Note: It’s a safe bet that Alderman Callis will respond to this message, hopefully with the answers to all my questions. Wouldn’t it be a shame if this thing has gotten on the ballot and gotten this far along without knowing those answers!

JJ,in response to your comment about liquor by the drink bringing better restaurants
to town is misguided.I personally know the pilot for the O'Charley's corporation.He flys the people who make the decisions on new restaurant locations to view different places.Though alcohol sales may be one of the criteria,the most important factor is traffic.I was told the first thing you must have is 40 thousand vehicles per day passing in front of a desired location.The only place we have like that is the interstate.

Councilman Callis,Don't get me wrong.I am very impressed with the plans for the civic center.It is a great building and is something that would be a tremendous asset to the city of Portland.I just feel that we need to take care of the foundation of the city before we spend that type of money on a luxury.I would like to see a major overhaul of the basics in our town.Better sewers,better trash pickup,more police officers and a bypass around the town.Now I know we can't use this tax revenue for some of these.Let's build a strong foundation and build our city upon it.Let's quit "patching" problem areas and fix them once and fix it right when we do.I would much rather see us spend the money it takes to fix a problem right the first time instead of spending less to patch a problem numerous times.Plan for this city 10 years down the road don't just look at the problem in front of you.Then,when this is done,I will support a civic center the likes of which you propose.This city cannot afford the mistake of instant gratification.

Just one more tidbid. Councilmen Callis, I applaude you for taking the time on being on here and listening to all of our input. Not many elected officials would have the courage to voice in such a public forum. Bravo Zulu sir.

This has been one of the best blogs that I have read on here. So many ideas and so much debate. The center is a wonderful idea. It would be a great addition to this community. High taxes to foot this project is just a drop in the bucket. But I have to agree with some of the other responses on the upkeep of this center. Liquor sales by the drink or by the bottle would generate a great deal of tax money for the town. I would like to think that a majority of our town people are decent,law abiding citizens and know how to handle their drinking. What is the difference between going to the BP and buying a 24 pack of beer or going to a liquor store and buying a bottle of whiskey. People are more apt to drink and drive with beer rather a large bottle of liquor. Besides this, if the town did pass this into law, think of the restaurant possibilities that could come to Portland and give the town and its people's a place to gather and entertain. The taxes from the restaurant's would be incredible. Just a thought. Thanks.

JW,
When you mean represent the people, you of course mean your view.
Anyone that says they represent all the people is either a fool or a liar.
Some will have their views supported and others will not. You elect people in hopes of honest and sound decision making; and though you may not agree with their decision, you will know their motivation. I once had an Alderman tell me he represented ALL the people. I told him that was impossible. I said when you voted there were a percentage of people who disagreed with you. He said “yeah but I listened to both sides”. I told him to ask those that disagreed with him if they felt represented.
When your point of view prevails you feel represented.
When your point of view fails you do not.

Terry,
You do have a choice. Yes or No.
Would you rather a chaotic laundry list of items?
I do not mind you being contrary to my point and you may not like my plan, but you have a choice in your opinion.
You first wanted the money used for sewer, you have been told you could not.
Now you say use it for other things.
What ideas do you have?
Share them with me, maybe I can help.

(JAS, wrote) "JW - I think any business owner knows taxes are part of the package, you must make the money to pay the taxes, I'll bet the write off's you the business person has priveledge to knocked another 5-10k off that figure. Get over it and do like the rest of us do & Pay your fair share.... my household paid almost 16K this year, thankfully we don't have to pay a state income tax!"

You obviously have no clue what you are talking about here. I believe I pay more than my fair share of taxes, over double what you paid, AND I am penalized by our fine government for being self employed. Maybe a more fair share would be for you to pay more and me to pay less!!! By the way that is what I pay in taxes after write offs!

(Councilman Callis Wrote)
"When an Alderman or committee member votes on an issue, their vote is based on the 3 p’s:
Principle – Their vote is based on their personal convictions
Pressure – Their vote is based on outside influence ( power, greed, fear)
Polls – Their vote is based on the prevailing wind that day"

How about People? Were does representation of the people come it at? I don't see this mentioned.

I have made my mind up on this issue and did so last time it was brought up.

In the future I may reconsider my position when I see some action on the part of this city to enforce laws and rules already set forth.....AND see what is a genuine effort to grow this community's infrastructure as well as retail growth. No more excuses, we want action.

This is not the time for a civic center, there are more pressing needs and issues at this time.

Councilman Callis,you have mentioned many times giving the people a "choice".I am in favor of the sales tax increase but not for the civic center(at this time).If you really mean it when you say you want to give the voters a choice,sponsor a seperate question on the ballot with the destination of funds going to necessities of this city.You called Councilman McDowell's hand on the Sunday beer sales vote trying to get him to second your motion to abolish all beer sales,I guess I'm trying to do the same here.Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.We can use this revenue.

Let me help clear some confusion along with any conspiracy theories.

1. Liquor by the drink sales are up to you, not the council.
When it passes ( and it may this year) you will probably see Sunday beer sales. If the majority so far has been against liquor by the drink, why do you think they would not be against Sunday beer sales?
When an Alderman or committee member votes on an issue, their vote is based on the 3 p’s:
Principle – Their vote is based on their personal convictions
Pressure – Their vote is based on outside influence ( power, greed, fear)
Polls – Their vote is based on the prevailing wind that day

2. No other council member has put this forward. Only me, so don’t blame the others. The rest of the council has given you an opportunity at democracy at my request. I thank them for that.

3. You are being offered a choice. If you want a civic center vote yes. If you do not vote no. No one is forcing you to do anything. This great country gives you the freedom to lobby for either side.

4. If this passes, there will be a bid package put together that anyone capable of doing the project can apply to. Since I am out on limb on this one, I doubt the fix is in.

5. There were those who wanted me to maintain the status quo when elected. If that was the case I would have never ran for office. I did not run for office to sit back and be idle, but to put forth ideas and get things done. Putting myself out front on issues can be unpleasant, but I am determined that no one will out work me, nor am I worried to tackle the tough issues.

6.Email, website, Impact fee, building standards, vicious animal, employee recognition, new software for the city, skateboard park, park improvements, focusing on retail, and a civic center may seem like pet peeves; but I call them projects that need attention.

I know there are those who are dead set against it for whatever reason; I just ask that you give it a moment of thought before deciding.

The city council don't care about what you think, they care ONLY about their little pet peeves and how are WE paid for it.

Impeach everyone of them Including the mayor, since he rolls over for a handful of people.

I bet one of his buddies is the general contractor on this.

JW - I think any business owner knows taxes are part of the package, you must make the money to pay the taxes, I'll bet the write off's you the business person has priveledge to knocked another 5-10k off that figure. Get over it and do like the rest of us do & Pay your fair share.... my household paid almost 16K this year, thankfully we don't have to pay a state income tax!

As for the Civic Center, same song, different channel nobody wants the town to change especially if it means pennies out of their pocket. I'm all for it and I will probably not utilize the facility, but I know many will, go for it!

Hopefully the Liquor By the Drink issue will be back on the ballot this year, if it doesn't fly this time it needs to be burried as it is already almost too late.

Alderman Callis,
I would like to know why people like me should pay a higher sales tax. This is not right.When we could have more tax money coming in if we had package liquior sales and liquior by the drink and sunday beer sales.But I know you and others in this town don't want that. Just like others say we don't need the center.What I am tring to say is just because it sounds bad doesn't mean it is.Have you ever thought about if the liquior sales pass that the city could use some of those funds or area churches hold monthly provention meetings to deal with the issue.We need more retail before the center is built because where will the up keep for the center come from.I think if we want something,we also need a little give and take.Just because the liquior would be there doesn't mean you have to buy it,just like we would have to go to the center if it was there.ALL people have a pass,we are not to hold that against them.Yes I have had family members KILLED by drunk drivers,but I also forgave them.Maybe if we had more in this town,we would be willing to pay more taxes.I will decide on the sales tax deal when I vote but I know I will vote for package liquior sales and liquior by the drink if on the ballot.REMEMBER that if you think it sounds bad don't mean it is.

THANKS rrman88

It would be interesting if we could obtain a breakdown in categories of where our sales tax dollars are generated from. ie food? gas? beer? etc... just curious which category would be affected most, just a thought, Jody

Alderman Callis,
I would like to know why people like me should pay a higher sales tax. This is not right.When we could have more tax money coming in if we had package liquior sales and liquior by the drink and sunday beer sales.But I know you and others in this town don't want that. Just like others say we don't need the center.What I am tring to say is just because it sounds bad doesn't mean it is.Have you ever thought about if the liquior sales pass that the city could use some of those funds or area churches hold monthly provention meetings to deal with the issue.We need more retail before the center is built because where will the up keep for the center come from.I think if we want something,we also need a little give and take.Just because the liquior would be there doesn't mean you have to buy it,just like we would have to go to the center if it was there.ALL people have a pass,we are not to hold that against them.Yes I have had family members KILLED by drunk drivers,but I also forgave them.Maybe if we had more in this town,we would be willing to pay more taxes.I will decide on the sales tax deal when I vote but I know I will vote for package liquior sales and liquior by the drink if on the ballot.REMEMBER that if you think it sounds bad don't mean it is.

THANKS rrman88

Alderman Callis,
I would like to know why people like me should pay a higher sales tax. This is not right.When we could have more tax money coming in if we had package liquior sales and liquior by the drink and sunday beer sales.But I know you and others in this town don't want that. Just like others say we don't need the center.What I am tring to say is just because it sounds bad doesn't mean it is.Have you ever thought about if the liquior sales pass that the city could use some of those funds or area churches hold monthly provention meetings to deal with the issue.We need more retail before the center is built because where will the up keep for the center come from.I think if we want something,we also need a little give and take.Just because the liquior would be there doesn't mean you have to buy it,just like we would have to go to the center if it was there.ALL people have a pass,we are not to hold that against them.Yes I have had family members KILLED by drunk drivers,but I also forgave them.Maybe if we had more in this town,we would be willing to pay more taxes.I will decide on the sales tax deal when I vote but I know I will vote for package liquior sales and liquior by the drink if on the ballot.REMEMBER that if you think it sounds bad don't mean it is.

THANKS rrman88

Well folks,

I knew it would only be a matter of time before this came up again....I will not vote for a tax increase. I am a small business owner and I am preparing to pay nearly $33,000 in taxes. This is one big lump sum.....not little bits at a time like most people...all at one time...this is a huge chunk of money that I have to piss away to the government.......And now you want more? NO WAY!

This is how I see things here....we have buildings falling down.....little to no visible enforcement of building codes for the eye sore areas of town....little to no visible traffic law enforcement (although I have seen a couple of cars pulled over lately).....very little viable shopping and food businesses in town..yet we ponder a multi-million dollar civic center, when we can't even attract viable retail to Portland.

Seems to me we've got the carriage before the horse here.

Yet again it appears the eyes are off the ball and distracted with something that at this point I believe would be a waste.

Lets keep our eyes on the ball here and deal with things that need dealing with before we think about a civic center. It seems that whenever we don't get what we want when we want it our reaction is automatically.....lets raise taxes.

We hear alot about how this, that and the other is happening or being talked about, yet we rarely ever see any action.....my mother taught me a good lesson when I was young....actions speak louder than words......WELL!?

Seems that there are alot of ways to increase revenue....pass sunday liquior sales...pass liquior by the drink. The same city officials who speak out so strongly against liquior by the drink, are the same ones who are wanting to raise taxes because the city doesn't have enough money. The answer to increased revenue is right in front of your faces....if you want more money that bad...get it by endorsing and passing these ordinances.

Daniel,

Whether or not Portland raises taxes...or not...has nothing to do with President Bush...Trust me I am not a big Bush fan...but not everything is his fault. What ever happened to non-bias media?

i just wonder what the cost if built per picture what it would cost to maintain it month to month? would racquetball and such pay for the monthly tab? I been around a long time and have seen very few if any government projects maintain themselves without government funding aka us the tax payer. just something I thought about. I personally willl not vote a tax increase on myself for any reason especially if it has to do with a government project. fred

Debt is overrated. Just ask George Bush. Who cares if we have no debt if we have no services either? We're talking about what, 50 cents difference on $100 bucs of groceries. The state has not helped us much, the city has not helped itself much, Callis is asking the people to make something happen for Portland because in most cases, citizens are the ones that make things happen, not council members or resolutions. What's the difference in increasing a sales tax and voting to increase garbage fees? Sewer, Police, Parks, Traffic are all huge issues, but having roads and sewers are no good if you don't have a town worth driving in. Things like civic centers bring people to communities and their tax dollars build new sewers and better roads.

To the credit of Mr. George, he came out to a public meeting and spoke against the proposed sales tax and he spoke of the need to enhance our sewer.

He is correct, we do need to enhance capacity, and we are working on some of these problems.

The analogy of money is misleading. The law dictates that if a service is set up as an enterprise fund then it must support itself through the means of itself.
Example:
If the sewer needs upgrading it must raise sewer rates to pay for it.

As far as the price tag, do not be deceived on this. Depending on what you build determines the cost; I have only proposed a concept, a possibility, a vision of what could be done. I have never proposed a cost; I have only given examples of revenue verses loan cost. There can be no cost amount without a definite plan.

Yes, this will be a multi-million dollar project, but the final figures will be based on the final design, and as I have said, it can be built in stages if needed.

I put together a concept that cost the taxpayers nothing beside the minimal cost to be on the ballot.

We can go bigger or we can go smaller.
Original thoughts were looking to the low end and immediate needs; but after more thought I decided to present what could be possible if we were willing as a city to become visionary.

Now having said this, I have stated in the past that if this referendum passes that we would form an Ad-hoc to take into account our needs by having citizens from all walks of life to give input and put a plan in place.

This is a starting point; generating thoughts and ideas is the best way to forward.

About 2 months ago I attended a council meeting where the proposed cost of the new civic center was 3 million dollars.At last months meeting the cost was estimated at 5 million dollars.This past Monday night the words 8-10 million dollars were used in the presentation when that was the price to build the Gallatin Civic Center the year it was built.So what we are realistically looking at to fund this project is probably more like 13 million.Councilman Callis speaks of looking to the future.I feel like it's just the opposite.Our sewer is near capacity now,and with the amount of homes being built in the near future we will exceed what our system will be able to handle.I understand that the sales tax revenue cannot be used to upgrade the water and sewer.That is like saying you have five dollars in your checking account and ten dollars cash in your pocket and you need to buy something that costs six dollars but the merchant will only take a check.If the City has the money to make a necessary upgrade or repair,it shouldn't matter where the money comes from.As far as forward thinking goes sewer down 52 to 31W and let the impact fees from all the development help pay for the civic center.Just my 2 cents.(and you're welcome to use it on the sewer)

I'm starting to change my mind on this civic center and I totally disagree with Mr. Coker and here's why. Just because certain projects will be paid off in the next couple of years doesn't mean that money will be reserved for a civic center. It's the conservative way to never want to raise taxes but you can look at Bush's latest budget proposal and see what not raising taxes does. You get nothing like a new civic center and you lose services such as deductions to Medicare and Medicaid. I think the people of Portland are losing their patience because while we continue to see factories sprout up nothing and I mean absolutely nothing has been done for families and for entertainment in this town.
Mike Callis had to practically beg the council for funding for a skateboard park, we're supposed to believe in a couple years they will fund a civic center? No one wants to run business out of town because of a sales tax increase but let's be honest, there's nowhere here to shop anyway. What, are people going to drive ten extra miles to get half a cent off a cheeseburger from McDonald's or on their gas? Of course not. This is one of the few ideas that shows a direct relation between increased taxes and a benefit for the taxpayers. What a great thing a civic center would do? Conservatives will tell you must wait and we'll build the center later but do you really trust that? I don't. We still have no credible restraunts or entertainment but we're worried about allowing beer sales on Sunday. We have the HIGHEST AMOUNT OF SEX OFFENDERS IN SUMNER COUNTY yet our council wouldn't pass a higher impact fee to give them extra employees because of course, industries would have to pay more. Here's an idea, instead of hiding our tax dollars under the umbrella of FAST TRACK GRANT for industries that help Portland little, let's request that money come back to the city to make a downpayment for the center.

we need something here in portland besides all these rundown buildings to look at i think it looks very nice no i may not use it but the future of our kids will and there families so i say yes too a civic center.we have lived our lives in portland with nothing to do let portland imporve for the up comming generation give them something that we have not had and get these kids a safe place to go not just hanging out on the streets for a strange totake advantage of amen

I believe the Civic Center is a good idea, and I'm all for the tax increase to fund it. Why should we cut elsewhere when we are already running the city on a shoe string budget, raise the taxes, move forward to the civic center that many will benefit from, and when we see our way clear from other debts have a plan of action ready to use that money to better our community.

The City of Portland Web site has a nice article about the proposed Civic Center on it.

I know this lengthy, so please bear with me.

First let me say that any time we talk tax increase that there is always negative connotation with such a proposal; but this is a project many people have commented they wanted for years, Alderman alike.

Instead of just talking, wandering, and dreaming, I decided to move forward and see what it would take to have a civic center in Portland.
The budget contains no money for such a project and it will not have the money in 2, 3, or 5 years from now.

Some have stated that we should use the money for other projects. I understand that first reaction, but there is no money as of yet. The sales tax was brought up as way of funding a civic center. Some have mentioned this money could be used for sewer and water. These are enterprise funds and the sales tax money cannot be used to fund them.

Here is the information I went off of:
1. Having a vision that looks into the future. Not trying to patch what we have now, but build something that will be used and useful well into the future.
2. We need a bigger Library. Our current Library is undersize and below the state minimum, and the spot it is on will not accommodate all future needs. We need a state of the art facility that offers more avenues to promote learning and positive growth.
3. We need a new Gym. Richland has served us well for many years, and with proper maintenance it will continue to serve this city; but we are hampered in providing and meeting the needs for a gym. We have to use the school system instead of keeping it in house where we have better control.
4. We need meeting and training space. Local businesses look for adequate training facilities for their employees that contain audio and visual equipment. Seminars, meetings, training, reunions, all will generate funds through rental.
5. The 250-seat theater. This would encourage arts and drama. We would have a community place to watch plays and movies. Is this a necessity, no, except for the fact of offering alternatives to other activities?
6. The banquet / exhibit hall. This would offer citizens a place for weddings, receptions, dinners, or even gallery presentations. I could see this multi-purpose room staying booked on regular basis.
7. We need more room for senior citizen activities. The 2400 square foot aerobic center would help provide this space for such things as silver sneakers and dance classes. City offered aerobic classes would be a big boost to our city.
8. A need to preserve our history. Placing a glass-enclosed museum on the 3rd floor may seem over the top, but these are the things that can move us into a different direction.

Racquetball courts, Volleyball, theater, etc., are not essential to survival, but they are amenities that make life more comfortable.

At what cost?
Could we loose business due to higher sales tax? Possibly
Could we gain business due to our willingness to be proactive? Possibly

Many say they want more choices and want more things to due; well it carries a cost.
On May 1, 2007 you will have a choice.
The decision is your hands.

Feel free to contact me at:
mikecallis@cityofportlandtn.gov

Alderman Callis made a very good presentation at the City Council meeting Monday night. I can give him credit for a good presentation even though I oppose the tax increase he is proposing to fund the project.

Amanda made a valid point. In my opinion, the question is do we want to raise taxes and have a civic center now, or do we wait 2-3 years, pay off some park debt the City accumulated when they had another grand vision for Portland, and get a civic center without a tax increase.

One of the hardest things to have as an alderman is patience. The window to get things done is often limited to the term of office, so this sometimes gives a sense of urgency to special projects. However, in the last three-and-a-half years I have been on the Council, I feel like we have done a good job of getting debt under control while trying not to raise property taxes.

Alderman Callis, I believe, is doing this a good way though. By having this on the ballot, the majority opinion of Portland citizens would make the decision. As this battle rolls on, I'm sure that the pro-raising taxes people will pitch the increase in taxes as the only way to get the civic center. This is not true.

We may have to cut some other "wish list" items, for lack of a better term, to make the civic center a priority, but I am not in favor of raising taxes so we can have our cake and it eat too, which is what this is trying to do. It is an attempt to bring in more money so we can fund more projects without having to cut anything else. I much prefer doing what we can within our means by way of prioritization.

I think if the city leaders can't find a way to work the budget to fund the civic center without raising the tax, then we don't need to do it. I don't want to have to pay the extra money. With the high gas prices and property taxes right now, I just can't afford to put anymore money out...especially for a civic center that I may not even use.